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Tom Matlosz

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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:28 am Post subject: Norweln

I'm trying to determine the place of birth for my wife's maternal grandfather, Jozef Gurski (b. 16 March 1895). His USA immigration ship's manifest lists his residence as "Norweln". His USA WWI draft card lists his place of birth as "Gescziszki", or maybe "Jescziszki". I cannot loacte either of these locations in Poland using the internet. Can anyone help with this quest?

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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Norweln

Tom Matlosz wrote:

Hi Tom,
I think this place is located in Lithuania (possibly today's Belarus). Looking for the place that fits. He gives his father's name as Petras. Not Piotr as it would sound in Polish.

-Barb

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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:57 pm Post subject:

Trish, Sophia, do you manage to find an American marriage record for Joseph Gurski / Gorski born March 16th, 1895, son of Piotr / Peter / Petras. Tom maybe you / your wife have that document?

-Barb

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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:44 pm Post subject:

BarbOslo wrote:

Trish, Sophia, do you manage to find an American marriage record for Joseph Gurski / Gorski born March 16th, 1895, son of Piotr / Peter / Petras. Tom maybe you / your wife have that document?

-Barb

We only know that Joseph Gurski married Mary Smolweski in New Jersey, in 1916 (see attachement). We do not know the day or month.

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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:46 pm Post subject:

Hi Tom and Barb,
Tom, are you certain you have the correct ship manifest? You posted only the first page of a two-page manifest, so here is the second page:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P1Z-1C?view=index&action=view
I ask because this Jozef Gurski is headed to Chicago. On the second page, his answer to "place of birth" is in the last column and it does not look like either "Norweln" or "Gescziszki." The question asked on the first page was his "last permanent residence" and that is where he answered Norweln.
There are many men with the same name also arriving in 1913, if you look at Ellis Island entries (the one you posted is for the port of Philadelphia). Maybe you already looked at all of them, and found reasons for why they were not the right fit?
Trish had recently posted some valuable info on getting vital records from New Jersey. That would be really helpful here.
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:47 pm Post subject:

Tom Matlosz wrote:

BarbOslo wrote:

Trish, Sophia, do you manage to find an American marriage record for Joseph Gurski / Gorski born March 16th, 1895, son of Piotr / Peter / Petras. Tom maybe you / your wife have that document?

-Barb

We only know that Joseph Gurski married Mary Smolweski in New Jersey, in 1916 (see attachement). We do not know the day or month.

Hi Tom, Barbara, and Sophia,

Tom, if the family settled in New Jersey, you can obtain Jozef and Mary's marriage record from the New Jersey State Archives.

Here is the main page for the New Jersey State Archives.
https://www.nj.gov/state/archives/index.html

Here is the form to use in order to obtain the marriage record for Jozef and Mary.
https://wwwnet-dos.state.nj.us/DOS_ArchivesDBPortal/index.aspx

Question:
Is this the correct family? Jozef married Maria (Marianna). They had Josephine, Frank, Walter, Jennie, Charles (aka: Kazimierz), and Edward.

If this is the correct family, I know that Jozef Gurski died January 1, 1934 in Bayonne, New Jersey.

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Trish

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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:39 pm Post subject:

Hi Everyone,

This is a possible manifest for Marianna Smolewska. She is going to Newark, New Jeresy which is very close to Bayonne, New Jersey. She is on line 25. Tell me what you think?

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Trish

Name Marianna Smolewska
[Marianna Smolewski]
Gender Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality Lithuanian
Marital Status Single
Age 19
Birth Date abt 1890
Birth Place Russia
Other Birth Place Rendzinny
Last Known Residence Rendziuny, Russia
Departure Port Bremen
Arrival Date 26 Nov 1909
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place Russia
Final Destination Newark, New York
Height 5 Feet, 4 Inches
Hair Color Blonde
Eye Color Gray
Complexion Fair
Money in Possession 10
Person in Old Country Josef Smolewski
Person in Old Country Relationship Father
Person in Old Country Residence Rendziuny P Dlorinisgdi
Person in US Jan Smolewski
Person in US Relationship Brother
Father Josef Smolewski
Sibling Jan Smolewski
Ship Name Prince Friedrich Wilhelm

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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:06 pm Post subject:

Hi Everyone,

I found a possible manifest for Jozef Gorski (Gurski). He is also going to Newark, New Jersey. He is on line 29. I need another set of eyes to look over the manifest for the transcriber on ancestry.com made a few mistakes.

I also suggest to order the death record for Jozef Gorski from the New Jersey State Archives. The death record could list the parents names. Here is the form to order a death record.
https://wwwnet-dos.state.nj.us/DOS_ArchivesDBPortal/index.aspx

Regards,
Trish

Ship Manifest for Jozef Gorski
Name Josef Gorski
Gender Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality Polish
Marital Status Single
Age 20
Birth Date abt 1893
Birth Place Russia
Other Birth Place Rudnopnicza
Last Known Residence Rudnopmcza, Russia
Departure Port Rotterdam
Arrival Date 6 Feb 1913
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place Russia
Final Destination Newark, New York
Height 5 Feet, 7 Inches
Hair Color Blonde
Eye Color Blue
Complexion Fair
Money in Possession 20
Person in Old Country Florian Kujawa (Surname is Gorski not Kujawa.)
Person in Old Country Relationship Father
Person in Old Country Residence Wierzbicza Hars
Person in US Stanislaw Gorski
Person in US Relationship Brother
Father Florian Kujawa (Surname is Gorski not Kujawa.)
Sibling Stanislaw Gorski
Ship Name Potsdam

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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:51 pm Post subject:

Really good search, Trish and Sophia!
It is important that Tom confirms to us the children's names and date of death.
-Barb

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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:14 pm Post subject:

Trish wrote:

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Marjanna Smolewski was born in 1891, in Gierarony, which is in present day Belarus.

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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:57 pm Post subject:

Tom Matlosz wrote:

Trish wrote:

Hi,
Back to your first post. I found the village of Guciszki belonging to the RC parish Gieranony, but no Norwelu nearby. This means that Jozef and Marianna lived near each other.
-Barb

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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 8:54 pm Post subject:

Trish,

Did you notice that Marjanna Smolewska's father is listed as Antoni Smolewski on her baptismal certificate? That would mean that the immigration record which you found for a Marianna Smolewski is incorrect as her father's name is listed as Josef Smolewski.

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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:00 pm Post subject:

BarbOslo wrote:

Really good search, Trish and Sophia!
It is important that Tom confirms to us the children's names and date of death.
-Barb

Josef Gurski d. 4 Jan 1934
Marjanna (Smolewska) Gurski d. 20 Jan 1981

Their children: Josephine N, Francis E, Walter J, Janina (Janice) T, Casimir J and Edward P

If it's helpful, Marjanna had a brother, Justyn Smolewski (b. 16 Dec 1891 - d. 5 Jan 1930). He immigrated to America in March 1909 and served in the US Army during WWI. On his WWI draft card, he listed his place of birth as "Oszmana Poland Russia".
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:29 pm Post subject:

Tom Matlosz wrote:

BarbOslo wrote:

Really good search, Trish and Sophia!
It is important that Tom confirms to us the children's names and date of death.
-Barb

Could Oszmana be present day Ashmyany, Belarus? It's only 20 miles or so from Gieranony, where the parish was located.
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:13 pm Post subject:

Has anyone used this website, Radzima.net, to research ancestry in Belarus? Is it legitimate?

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